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relax, I know how to make cement ([identity profile] telesilla.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] whatwekeep2008-10-16 07:59 pm
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Meta: Abolitionists and Slaves

So, I have a bit of a meta question....

We've seen people like Jeff, Dylan and even the Catholic Church, argue that, given the state of things in the USNA, keeping slaves and treating them well is the right/humane thing to do.

Then there's the argument that keeping slaves at all is wrong, and that it's better to either pay the fines and remove yourself from society (Cate Blanchett is a good example) or to deliberately live poor so that you don't have to own slaves (although we haven't gone into this much yet, David Hewlett's mother and his sister Kate live like this).

I'm kind of curious as to what people here think: which way makes more sense in the context of the AKB verse and which way is more ethical in that same context?

PS: There may be other examples of both sides, I'm kind of behind on the more recent additions to the 'verse.

[identity profile] i0am0crazy.livejournal.com 2008-10-17 03:15 pm (UTC)(link)
"Maybe the only moral choice is to sit and wait for the first field hand or miner somewhere to say, hey, there's more of us than there are of them, and then give him a gun."

And maybe the only moral choice is to talk to minors or factory workers and tell them their more and stronger and that together they´ll change the world... maybe then the first will rise and he will be beaten but then others will rise and they will have little victories and feel encouraged and someday they´ll be able to really change the world
unfortunately all of this is day dreaming... but who says ione shouldn´t dream of a better world.
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[identity profile] facetofcathy.livejournal.com 2008-10-17 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Well true enough, it's not like Che was actually a peasant himself.

I'm not married to my own conclusions. I'm rather attracted to that mythical graffiti artist, and Dylan at least is hanging his ass out in public, which is something.


[identity profile] i0am0crazy.livejournal.com 2008-10-17 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
well i wouldn´t call che the last revolutionist he´s just the most popular one. in fact i think the way he is presented today is more like a rock star,and what he did whas more of a geruilla fight and not a real revolution with the people getting power like it would have been necessary.


yeah it´s good he´s doing something,even if he´s doing that inside of the social structures he wants to overcome... even if he might be seen as hypocritical i think if there´s no other way of rescuing someone then buying him maybe it´s right.
i´m not sure if the people who would really start a riot are lost in the stories,because even if there were bourgeois wanting to change society it were always working class people who really did it... however i love the sweetness of this stories because in no other setting this would be possible reminds me a little bit of "the slave breakers" by masculategiraffe...